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S1E11 - Broadening Your Horizons With Hancock

Discussing The Works of Graham Hancock

Episode Notes

In this episode we discuss a couple of Mr. Hancock's previous works as well as his upcoming new title.

Hi, welcome to conversations with Cassi. As always I'm Cassi, the host of the show.

We hope you've had a good week. We hope that you have fed curiosity and that you have learned something new. If you haven't, hopefully you will during the episode.

This morning, as is usual, in my email, I had book suggestions from Amazon. I, usually, end up just deleting the emails, they either don't have books that I would read, or it's books I already actually own. However, this morning, the list was much more intriguing than usual. The top book, which, got my interest, right off the bat, was a brand, new neanderthal book. This book seems like a very good update of our current understanding, and information, regarding neanderthal, and his place, in the story of us. So, I clicked the link to check out all the details about the book.

Now,  if I find a book that I like I, usually, tend to do my best, to just grab it up, that being said, if, I find a book, that's of great interest to me, and what I mean, by that, is a book that I feel I will either read multiple times, or after, reading I will reference multiple times, then, I prefer to have the copy or a copy in hardback.

I will confess, there are certain titles, that, I do have in multiple formats; either, I have an e-version and a paperback, or hardback, or I have both, hardback and paperback versions. There's probably a few I have all three for and this is why, if I'm going to use a book, regularly, or extensively, I feel like hardback holds up better. The cover, the bindings, and the pages are all more durable than in paperback.

So, that being said, I felt that this Neanderthal book would be one that I would prefer in hardback, for those reasons. The link took me to the paperback option, for, it also gave me tabs to check out the Kindle option, or the hard back option. Naturally, I clicked on the hardback option, and much to my dismay, I discovered that, at least via Amazon, the hardback is available on the other side of the pond, but, this side, of the pond, gets the paperback. Now to make that, even, a little more discriminatory than it already is, the publisher is PBS, an American company.

Thank you, PBS, for not letting me have the hardback. Yes, I actually am being a little bratty, cause, yes, I can actually order it, via Amazon, from the UK, the point is I shouldn't have to.

I will probably end up buying the paperback, at least, to get my hands on it, read it, see if it's as good as I'm hoping it is, and, maybe, by then the hardback will be an option, on this side of the pond, or I won’t mind waiting, so, I'll go ahead and order it from the other side of the pond.

Also, in the same email was a book that I'm excited about, that I've been waiting for. But, that no, I will not pre-order from Amazon. Why? Here's a tidbit, if you haven't pre-ordered books from Amazon (or another shipping/online seller). Amazon used to be great, in that, if you pre-ordered a book, from Amazon, based on their 2-day shipping, they would ship your book 2 days prior to the release date, so, that you can get it on the release date. However, due to the tyrant JK Rowling this all changed, in the height of Harry Potter fame. See, sometimes, what would happen, is certain addresses are close enough to Amazon that they might get their books the day before the release date, big boo hoo JK. Now,  I don't remember which year, four, five or six that a huge fan, I believe, a young lady, was lucky enough to get her book a day early, and she promptly, devoured the book and posted about how good it was. And, yes, JK people can read your books in a night or a day, I have! But, JK had a huge huge fit, that HER books were being leaked, unfortunately, for the world, that one, single woman had so much power that she got the rules changed. Amazon wasn't the only company that would ship the books, prior to the release date, so, that the pre-orders got their books, in the mail, on the release date. That's the whole point of pre-ordering, to have your book the day it comes out, without having to make sure that you get to the bookstore. Or in the case of Harry Potter, that you have to go stand in line to get your copy, and hope that they have enough copies, when you show up. Now pre-order books don't even get put in the mail until the day of, or the day after the release date. Why anyone still pre-orders books after Ms. Rowling little temper tantrum, like a toddler, I have no idea. I, honestly, had forgotten about that whole tantrum, so, when a book, that's actually the sequel to one of my favorite books, the book that really opened the door to me, as far as, not studying history in a vacuum, I pre-ordered it, to have it the day it was released, without effort. And was sorely disappointed that it was not even shipped until the day after, so this time, I will simply, drive to Barnes & Noble and by it on release day!

I'll be honest, I was an ideal student, an honor student, I loved the classroom and lecture hall. I soaked up all the information that teachers could give, me about the topics that interested me, so, yes, I went to University, and I took approved, accredited courses for history, and anthropology, and cultural anthropology. I was a prime, pristine, future prospect for the field; and Egypt was what grabbed my attention, initially. The problem was, I, already, had questions about certain aspects of Egyptian history; primarily, I've always had an issue with the pyramids being solely, exclusively, tombs for 4th Dynasty pharaohs, yet, having been discovered so empty and blank.

So, I chose not to pursue a professional career in Egyptology, because, having been educated in the field, I understood the hierarchy and politics, and I knew I would end my career before it started, by speaking my mind, and refusing to agree to things that I didn't agree with.

After moving on, as a huge book lover, and a curious mind, I happened across a book by Mr. Graham Hancock, The Sign and The Seal. This book detailed Mr. Hancock's search for the lost Ark of the Covenant. Mr. Hancock, by education and profession, was a journalist.  The he chose to pursue independent research of things that interested him. Mr. Hancock had written about the poverty in and around Ethiopia and that region of Africa, apparently, during field research, he learned about a local belief, that the Ark of the Covenant was located in Ethiopia. So, off he went, in search of the truth. I devoured the book. I loved it.   Mr Hancock’s style of writing, and his method of research, both, gained my respect.

Later, I came across his work, Fingerprints of the Gods.

As some of you may know, I have suggested Fingerprints of the Gods as in introduction, to a much broader approach, in studying human history; and this is why, Mr Hancock did something in that book that is not done in textbooks, or in the classroom.  He looked at various ancient civilizations, and when he found similarities, he analyzed them to see, if, it was pure coincidence, as textbooks and professors tell us, or if there was more to the story. Looking at his approach, with an open mind, it is very evident that he was on to something, something important.

Once Mr Hancock opened that door for me, it was like the Wardrobe and I entered intellectual Narnia!

One of the things that I respect about Mr. Hancock's work, is his willingness to share his sources, so, you are free to seek out the original documents, or translations, or footnotes, abstracts, whatever, and read and decide for yourself, if what he concludes makes sense. Fingerprints of the Gods is now an older title, but, it's still very relevant, and a great starting point for someone on the journey. Not to be disappointed, or left wandering the desert on your own, a few years ago, Mr Hancock released a sequel, to Fingerprints of the Gods, titled Magicians of the Gods.

In the sequel, Mr. Hancock expands his research, and includes new discoveries, and recent advancements, in analyzing old discoveries. And this sequel is what I pre-ordered from Amazon, and was disappointed in the fact, that Amazon did not even ship it to me, until the day after its release.  However, once I did finally received my copy, I devoured it! Mr. Hancock did not disappoint in his new title.

And that brings me to why I am discussing Mr. Hancock with you today, in our first episode, for April.

The next work, in this line of research, comes out, here, in the states on the 23rd. I think the UK gets it a couple weeks earlier. Either way, this gives you time to read both books, hopefully, before, the new one comes out, or at least, gets you working on the first two, so you can roll right into the third one after, it's released, but still new.

I will say I am excited for the new book come out. for two reasons;  first, I'm excited to see what new insight, and research, and sources he has, secondly, in his first two works, he focuses on the Middle East, and meso- and South America, however, this work, focuses on North America. and I think that’s awesome!

North America had first and foremost, at the time of European exploration, hundreds Nations already permanently settled, on the land. These nations were incredibly diverse; different languages, different lifestyles,some that were hunters, others that were agricultural, some were very aggressive, constantly warring with other nations, some had formed confederations among their Nations, and they all had very, rich, and extensive histories in their oral traditions. In addition to this, as Europeans moved into North America and set up homes and cities and various other permanence, they actually encountered sites and relics and other physical evidence of past civilizations; some of which, even those Nations that we now call indigenous or original, claim, were older than them and came before them, and we've never, truly shined any  spotlight on this rich history, to figure it out, to understand it, to gain from it.

So, I'm really hoping in his new work that, he does highlight a lot of new information and resources.

And I wanted to share the news and my excitement with you. And hopefully, this will be a new part of the path that we can actually walk together, which also makes me incredibly excited. So, I hope that this has sparked your interest to check out the two books, already out and look forward to the third book coming out this month. I hope it has given you reason to dust off your curiosity and broaden your horizons and learn something new about the amazing wonderful and much richer Story of Us.

If you grab these books by all means please share your thoughts and feedback with us. We would love to hear from you. As always you can find us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and the blog, Random Thought Provocateur on Blogger.

Thank you for joining us. I hope you have a great day, until next time this is Cassi, bye!

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S1E10 - Another Point of View

A Geologist Takes A Look

Episode Notes

In this episode we introduce Dr. Robert Schoch, a geology professor from Boston, MA, whom was asked to analyze the Sphinx and its enclosure from a geologic point of view. Dr. Schoch then went on to look at other ancient sites using his geological expertise and the possibilites are intriging.

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S1E9 - Things That Make You Go Hmmm

A few locations that raise more questions than answers.

Episode Notes

You can read more about these and other locations here: Lost Cities...Myths Or More High In The Andes~On The Sea Floor

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S1E8 - What or Why is Giza?

Introducing some theories

Episode Notes

We discuss some of the more common theories about the purpose behind the Giza plateau. Follow us on Facebook - or on Instagram -

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S1E7 - Hitting Word Walls

Episode Notes

In this episode we discuss how words can impact the knowledge we know, gain, and pass on.

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S1E5 - Have You Met Grandfather Neander?

Our Neanderthal Ancestors

Episode Notes

In this episode we introduce Neanderthal as one of our direct ancestors. A fact that has only been being accepted within the last decade. Want to support us without having to donate? Download the RadioPublic App from GooglePlay or App Store where we are an earning podcast! Thank you for all your support.

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S1E4 - DNA Inspired AI Rant

Will AI replace anthropologists and archaeologists?

Episode Notes

My thoughts on the use of AI in archaeology and in general.

Hello and Welcome to Conversations With Cassi. I’m Cassi, the host of the show.

Today, in scrolling through news feeds, I came across an article that stated AI would possibly be replacing archaeology as a profession. This is based on the fact that supposedly, an AI program has discovered "an unidentified Human ancestor", and in reading the article what I found is that AI basically or more accurately this AI program run by several DNA Labs has basically caught up with human knowledge.

AI has not found anything that at least I as an independent researcher didn't already know. See, there is a cave in Siberia that is considered the origin of our discovery Denisovans as an ancestor to modern-day, man. One of the great finds, in this cave in Siberia, are the bones of a child, whose parents were one of Denisovian ancestry and one of Neanderthal ancestry.

In analysis of the DNA of other individuals, not specifically in the Denisovian research area, but in the general Siberian area, there has been discovered the DNA of an as yet unidentified ancestor to the human population. And this residual DNA has survived all the way through to modern man and just as most of us have roughly 3% Neanderthal DNA within our own genes, we've also discovered that there are those in Asia and other places, Nepal, Tibet, the higher elevations being a higher preponderance of individuals who have specific Denisovan DNA still within their gene pool.

Pacific Islanders and South Asians have a third ancient ancestor's DNA still present within current gene pools. We have not identified the identity of this unknown ancestor. We had no finds, so far this ancestor in its original or pure form. So to claim that AI is somehow going to steal away the position of archaeology, I find reprehensible.

First and foremost, as I stated originally, this AI program merely discovered the same thing that human researchers already knew, secondly, I will be upfront and honest, I'm not a fan of AI for a multitude of reasons. The first, I do not believe that we need absolutely any other reason, excuse, justification, or mechanism to make humans any stupider than they have already become. An article the other day stated that the average IQ of people today is 85 to 110. Uhm, 85 is actually mentally challenged, so for that to now be considered normal IQ proves that we have not gotten smarter in the last three or four generations. We have gotten dumber. When I was a child the average IQ for an average individual was 100 to 120, to be considered anything special at all you had to have an IQ over 120, to be considered a genius you had to have an IQ over 140. We keep lowering standards, so that we can keep telling kids that they're better than the adults. We're deluding them. We're deluding ourselves and AI does not help with that. AI actually, encourages that. We have leaders in education that state that we no longer need to actually teach knowledge to students, to children; all we need to teach them is how to find the knowledge, how to use Google, how to use AI, how to use GPS.

You have kids that do not know how to do math if they're handed pencil and paper, because, they were taught only how to do math using a calculator. We have children that have no idea how to actually use a map to get from point A to point B, because I have a cell phone with GPS. What happens if there's a catastrophe that destroys technology? That knocks out all satellite communication? There go GPSes, so how will people get to and from places with no GPS? Because that's what they're being taught to navigate with these days.

Another thing is AI poses some very scary side effects. Now you can argue all you want to that AI has at its foundation three basic, supposedly unbreakable rules. And the first, of these unbreakable rules, is that any creation that is based on AI cannot harm a human. Yet, what happens when AI has to make a choice to harm a human in order to save a human? How will AI make that choice? Hypothetically speaking, it should be made using alogrithims, built into the AI system. No heart. No soul. No emotion. No humanity. Just logic, reason, and math would determine the AI's following of this tenet to harm no human.

In our own world, as humans, we have unforgivable sins. Sins that should never ever be committed and if they are they are never to be forgiven. Yet, those sins have been committed, numerous times. So who's to say that as AI develops, AI doesn't decide that there are exceptions to the rule? That those three unbreakable rules, that humans have imposed on AI, are not valid, not logical, not rational. There's nothing to prevent AI from reaching a point where it violates its sacred rules, just like humans.

And if we're trying to create AI to be the perfect human, we ought to realize that not even God created the perfect creature. Look at how flawed humans are. So what makes us, as flawed individuals, think that we can create something better than us? We can't! And the fact that we're even trying, shows how ignorant we are about such matters.

AI should absolutely never replace any profession. AI should be limited to being nothing more than some advanced controls, on machines, used, operated, and controlled by humans, in order to do a job. AI should never have even a very limited free range on any level, the ramifications and the possibilities, however, slim AI people want to claim that they are, are much much to great.

Look at the logic here; if you flip this around to pharmaceutical industries, we require in the United States, for sure, and I believe in Europe, as well, but in the United States, it is mandatory, mandatory, for a child to have a chickenpox vaccination to attend public school. Chickenpox, a childhood disease that basically has a nil mortality rate. Nil. You know why, because the only way that you can die from chickenpox, which by the way is not technically dying from chickenpox, is if the caregiver for the individual with chickenpox uses aspirin as a fever reducer, which creates an allergic reaction within the individual suffering chickenpox. And the result is actually Rye syndrome and it's rye syndrome that kills the patient, not chicken pox.

Not to mention, that supposedly Science is so hell-bent on evolution, as being the Enigma of our existence. Yet, they do nothing but meddle in it. Viruses and bacteria is such as chicken pox, Scarlet fever, polio, measles, mumps, Rubella, those were balancing agents within nature. They ensured that the healthiest individuals survived in the group and that the population was contained at a sustainable level. Messing with it, and increasing the population to an out-of-balance proportion, which it is in certain locations, that is evident in a poverty rate of different regions of the world and that exists primarily due to overpopulation. Whether, the overpopulation is current, or in recent history, which totally devastated the environment and left the current, which would have been sustainable population, in poverty due to having no remaining natural resources. So playing God across the board, has not been a good idea at all.

Look at improved agriculture that has devastated species in the Amazon, in Asia, and the South Pacific. Deforestation has wiped out species that haven't even been discovered yet. Dozens of species a day are lost in the Amazon due to what? Oh, slash-and-burn, so that we can do what, all that's right, so that we can be better humans by living off of soybeans. Yet those individuals, whose lifestyle includes a high consumption of soybeans and their various by-products, want to slam someone for eating a cow?

The cow was allowed to live and continue on as a species even though it was consumed by someone who isn't as holy and self-righteous as the individual with the soybeans. Yet, they see no hypocrisy in the fact that they have wiped out millions of species that have never even been discovered. There are countless number of plants with amazing healing properties that have been destroyed, as well, for the same sake. So if we are such poor Divine players, in things that we've already screwed up, what makes us think that we can get AI right? Or that AI needs to replace any human occupation and certainly not something as important to all of us as archaeology, anthropology, and history. Those all require a human touch, a human component.

Why? Because it's the study of ourselves. And we need to be ourselves in order to understand ourselves and AI just doesn't cut it, and if AI reaches the point where it does cut it, again, the ramifications will not be worth it on any level at all.

Thank you for joining us. Keep your curiosity dusted off. Don't replace it with something like GPS and AI; because, the brain is the most perfect super computer ever created. Don't forget that! Until next time, this is Cassi. Have a great day.

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S1E2 - Ancient Religion vs Scientific Knowledge Pt. 1

A look at how we judge the ancients compared to how they were.

Episode Notes

In this episode we take an introductory look at how anthropologists access ancient man with regard to religion and or scientific understanding. Photo Credit: Martin B. Sweatman and Dimitrios Tsikritsis .

Hi! Welcome to Conversations With Cassi. I'm Cassi, your host.

Today, I thought we would discuss a couple preconceptions and a couple of theories that might finally be correcting those preconceptions. One of the things that you will find if you start studying and reading about the history of humanity and especially reading about it from an anthropological and or archaeological point of view, almost everything that is discovered is put either in to living and by living I mean, daily life. Your home or it's put in the context of religion. There doesn't seem to be a lot of room for cultural differences, for societal differences.

Everything has to be either a residence or a temple, with very few exceptions and even when you point out that there are maybe some exceptions the experts have some way of tying those exceptions directly to home or temple, thus limiting ancient man’s world. That being said, Priests tended to have a lot of power according to the story and I'm not totally denying that, as a matter of fact, I actually agree with that. However, I think the word priest is limiting to the responsibility and the influence and duties of this class of individuals within an ancient society. I think ancient societies had what we might consider more of a Renaissance approach to their duties and their positions and their responsibilities.

Therefore, a priest was not merely the spiritual leader, the spiritual ceremony overseer, the religious head in Society. I think what we identify as priests were actually more along the lines of, in some cases, the societal elders, in other cases they would be a cross between the bureaucrats and the pillars of morality, the wisdom keepers and wisdom information disseminators of a group. So, while they were Priests, by title, they were not merely a religious spiritual leader as we would assume based on that duty or occupational title today, which, actually meant something different in ancient history and that can create problems. Words, or certain word usage creates problems and that's a whole episode all in itself, and possibly, maybe even the next episode. So as I said, I'm not doubting the use of the word priest, and I am not doubting their affluence and influence within the community and history, I just think that it needs to be looked at in a more appropriate scope, and more individually for each community.

I just think that it should not be the first thought that we have when we study an ancient culture, especially one that no longer exist in the present day and thus there are no points of reference for how it might truly have been. The reason I bring this up is because there have been some new theories making it into the public arena and the public media that are broaching how we view certain complexes of ancient history and prehistory. And taking it quasay out of the automatic religious component, something that I've always questioned. Why did man in the past, uncivilized man, barbaric man, Stone Age man, prehistoric man, however you want to label him, have to be religious? Why did he have to be superstitious? That seems to be the mentality of most archaeologists and anthropologists. They're very very focused on that. There's a couple other things that they are also very focused on that I think may be over done as well.

But today we're going to stick to the religious component. I've often wondered why when you hear the myths or look at some of the carvings and some of the temples using the textbook term, it never suggests any logical or rational or scientific basis. Yet, a lot of the layouts of ancient sites and structures are based on science, math, numbers not all random or I don't want to say all willy nilly, or super religious, but the science aspect, the math aspect, the intellectual aspect, is ignored, overlooked, marginalized. I think that's wrong because time and time again you hear in some of the reports and the documentaries and studies, man's brain structure for thousands and thousands of years is accepted as being basically unchanged. Another words Neanderthals' brain, which looked just like ours to someone like you or me, except that it was by weight larger than ours. It also, had all the same basic parts as ours.

This is different than say comparing a human brain to a canine brain or to a dinosaur brain, where different parts of their brains are more developed and other parts are, I don't know that less developed is the right word, but, they are more compact in their size and structure so that the other parts that are more developed have the room and the power and have the ability to be as developed as they are, whether it's the olfactory or the auditory or whichever sense is their primary sense for survival and hunting.

They don't necessarily need as much what we call cortex or frontal capacity for thought and abstract thought and things like. But, within the species, that we commonly refer to as man or more scientific or proper would be to list it as hominins, man's brain has stayed roughly the same, so if Neanderthal, in this example, had a brain that was basically structured exactly like ours, and even was larger than ours, why do we assume that he had to be less intelligent and to think differently than us.

Why couldn't he be interested in science, engineering, nature, astronomy? Why does he have to be regulated to superstitions and religion and childlike pursuits?

As I said there have been some new studies coming out recently. They're not necessarily brand new studies, they're new in the fact that they're making it into the public forum. Unfortunately science is a very slow-moving machine much slower than the world around it and much slower than most things. So a lot of times by the time we hear about a new discovery, this discovery is actually, several years old, sometimes up to 20 years old. And sometimes by the time that the public hears about a new scientific theory or a new scientific fact, such as, a theory or hypothesis that has finally become accepted, due to evidence, it could have been at the scientific community for as much as 50 years or more, before it's actually heard by the common man, just one example, the concept of plate tectonics, and this is unfortunate because another impact that this has is in our education systems and in our textbooks. Our textbooks lag even more behind in the theories and hypothesises and facts that it prints and that our children read. So it literally can take generations before a new theory or a new idea is even allowed to be presented to new and future scientists, anthropologists, archaeologists, by which time it could be invalid or so modified that it no longer resembles the original, now textbook version of itself. So we actually cut off our nose to spite our face, from an educational, research point of view by not providing our kids with the Latest and newest, and not teaching them how to analyze and debate these theories and ideas and concepts.

Anyways though the point of this is to talk about a couple of these. And a new approach that has been in the works for I would say probably 40 or 50 years maybe even longer depending on how broad you want to cast the nets of this concept. While it has been recognized that some of the ancient sites, like Stonehenge, the Pyramids of Giza, and others are aligned to North or to the Rising Sun or to an equinox or a solstice, or some other astronomical event, it has still been regulated to oh, that's because it was a Sun cult or a Moon cult, or the Cult of Orion or the cult of Sirus. It's never been because they were smart enough to think scientifically and to understand. Yet, the first advance navigation that man used, and Ancient Man used it incredibly more accurately, effectively, efficiently and on a much wider scale than modern man, is Celestial navigation. There are devices and artifacts that have been found from the ancient Phoenicians and Greeks to the Vikings that helped them in their Celestial navigation, that in some instances, we still don't understand how they made them or how they use them, because we aren't that skilled. We have possibly better technology, but we don't have better individual skills, in those areas.

Ancient man did not separate science and fiction, to use modern terms, another words and you see this even up to ancient Greece, in the great philosophers that we venerate still today, Socrates, Pythagoras, Salon, Aristotle, they all understood that everything in the universe was connected and that our understanding of the universe, if we wanted an understanding of the universe had to understand and include those connections. That's not religion. That's intelligent. That's not superstition. That's comprehension on a higher level than most experts today. One of the reasons for this, I believe, is a societal shift. In a lot of ancient societies you had an understanding that the society as a whole was dependent on every part to survive. You had much more connectedness. This is seen in the city states of Greece, where all the citizens were actually included in major decisions. They had what's commonly referred to as pure democracy, it's not efficient, but it's actually accurate to how the universe works.

Every action by every individual part affects the whole. Then we got the bright idea that we had become enlightened. And with this, individuals mattered above all else and it was an enlightened man who thought pretty much only of himself or pursued only his wants, only his desires, or path without regard for the impact or consequences of his actions to anyone and everyone around him and in doing so we didn't create a better Society. We created a fractured world and that's clearly visible in our fields of study and research, we have even expertly fractured that.

In the Renaissance, you had artists that were some of the best engineers and scientists and anatomists and astronomers. Because they had rediscovered what, the ancient Greeks knew, everything is connected. If you want to try build a flying machine, you need to understand how flight works in the natural world. What are the components? How do birds do it? What makes them different from us in that aspect and how can we overcome that? You want to paint the most realistic examples of the world around you. Well, in order to do that you have to understand anatomy and human muscular and skeletal details, and lighting and shading and perception and distance and all these components that go into creating an artwork that looks real. Now, you don't have that. You have archaeologists that might claim to understand the astronomical component of the site that they are studying, but they don't. Or they only understand that the Sun rises in the East and the temple faces east. They don't truly understand all of the components of astronomy that might have mattered to the people that they’re studying.

This limits their perception it limits their ability to understand and comprehend. So ironically, some of the most amazing, most thought-provoking new theories in the field aren't being proposed by anthropologists, archaeologists, or historians. They're being proposed by geologists, engineers, physicists, and astronomers. Because they're looking at a whole different component. Now, I'm not saying that in and of themselves that these Outsiders are getting it right where the experts are getting it wrong, but they bring a new dimension to the table in the field and they do have sound research and sound ideas and they should be incorporated. Anthropology, archaeology and history should welcome geologists and physicists and Engineers into their world for better understanding, there is nothing wrong with that. We need to get back to realizing and accepting the truth, which is that anything and everything in the universe is connected and you cannot study any part in a vacuum on its own and hope to actually truly understand what it is.

Assuming that ancient man is superstitious and religious only and deny his intelligence and understanding of the stars is naive, arrogant and wrong, as some of these new studies are showing.

One of the ones that's very interesting that you can find easily on a Google search, is from the University of Edinburgh and the University of Kent, from a member of engineering department and the religious studies department, respectively. This study postulates and does a very good job of supporting their postulation, that as much as 40,000 years ago, using the constellations and astronomical alignments that they saw in the sky, ancient man could document important events in time using astronomical time, something that doesn't change. We use a calendar system, now, that outside of us, is not understandable to other peoples. It is also a recent version. Our calendar systems have changed over time. Thus, accurately documenting any historic even precisely is not precise at all via the calendar system, of which the current one has only been in use in some form since Roman times, and has changed forms several times since, and was one of many during Roman times.

It's also really really hard to accurately flip between various calendars and it would appear that ancient man that a much better job of making sure that everyone was on the same time page so to speak, by using something that while it does change, in aspect of where certain constellations are at certain times of the year, where constellations are in certain years of Earth's cycles, like its rotation, its orbit, or its precessional cycle, it is still a constant. It is something that, if you have the knowledge and understanding any person from anytime can identify the same point in time, given the proper astronomical information and this appears to be how the ancients kept time and documented time.

That's not religious. That's intelligent. That's scientific. That's advanced.

I hope this has given you some food for thought. I hope you will pursue some of the studies on your own and gain more detailed information, analysis, and concepts until next time keep your curiosity dusted off. Remember we love to hear from you! So, look for us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or on our blog, Random Thought Provocateur, on Blogger.
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S1E1 - Gobekli Tepe and Aboriginal Australians

Did Aboriginal Australians build Gobekli Tepe?

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This is a brief discussion about a new theory suggestng that Aboriginal Australians build Gobekli Tepe.

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So I have to be honest. I have kind of struggled with the topic for this episode for lots of reasons. Where do you start? What's the most interesting and enigmatic subject that can Enlighten, interest, and captivate you guys? Do you start with the pyramids? Do you start with Gobekli Tepe? The Mayans? The Incas? The Nazca Lines? The cave paintings of Europe? There's just so many options to choose from and yes, hopefully over the course of the podcast we will get time to discuss all of them, and the multitude of new things that are being discovered and studied and proposed and in some cases, finally accepted.

So I settled on a topic that regards Gobekli Tepe. It's my first impressions of a theory that I heard via YouTube. I have not read the work and research by the original, or as I have heard it, the original proposer of this particular theory regarding Gobekli Tepe. I believe the gentleman's name is Ben Reneer. I could be wrong about that. I would have to double-check for sure, but the gentleman is purposing that the builders of Gobekli Tepe are the Aborigines of Australia and just on the surface I would have to disagree with that for several reasons.

One of the basises which was used when the theory was presented in the means that I was exposed to it, was that some of the symbols that you see at Gobekli Tepe, in the carvings and reliefs, are also present in Aboriginal body design and some of their artwork. Now, there are no known and or confirmed original indigenous people in the locality of Gobekli Tepe, as we all know there are indigenous populations still residing in Australia. However, the fact that Australia has an indigenous population that uses symbols that are present at Gobekli Tepe to me in and of itself does not make them builders of Gobekli Tepe. Especially, when you look at the geographic distance between the two localities, in addition to that when you look at the Aborigines of Australia they are not, at least certainly not in recent history, which you would think the way that they have preserved the rest of their culture, this would also be something that they would preserve, at least in their prolific storytelling, they do not seem to be wanderers or explorers there doesn't seem to be much in their history of going out and seeing the world, settling the world, conquering the world. They seem to have been very content for thousands and thousands of years residing on and very near, as in surrounding islands, to Australia. With one known South American exception.

So, when you have a group of people that seem to have been that contently settled in one locale that is so distant from a second locale it seems counter intuitive to credit them, at one point approximately 11 or 12 thousand years ago picking up what you would have to consider their best and brightest individuals and trekking halfway around the world to Gobekli Tepe and building the monuments and structures you see there, of which you see no counterpart in Australia. While the Aborigines have an amazing, rich storytelling culture and cave art culture they do not seem to have a prolific stone carving or stone building history, something that is the central focus of Gobekli Tepe. In addition, the skill required for the constructions at Gobekli Tepe are not something that is present in the Aborigines culture of Australia in any comparable form.

I will, in the future, actually pursue the research done by this gentleman, who has purposed this theory, for lots of reasons; I've heard that he has done solid research. So I think there is probably some merit to the evidence and data that he has gathered, I think his conclusions and suppositions are just a little bit off. If it were me, initially from what I know, as I just shared with you, I would flip his theory around and suggest and propose that the Aborigines people were exposed to the information and the presence of the builders of Gobekli Tepe, not that they were the builders of Gobekli Tepe. I believe that the ancient world was more interconnected than we give it credit for. I do not believe that, especially the civilizations that we consider to have been advanced, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Sumeria, the Indus Valley Civilization, or others that they were geographically or regionally limited. I do believe that they did strike out that, they did explore the world for resources and other things, whether the other things were treasures or seeking mythical places, for example; the land of Punt was considered to be the home of the gods and the land of plenty where all good things came to Egypt, it was also far-off and there were several pharaohs that we know sent out expeditions to the land of Punt and received royal visits as well. Accordingly, the Sumerians, believed that their founders came from a distant land far across the sea. These stories and more certainly lead to secondary evidence suggesting that at least some of these ancient cultures were world travelers, whether or not they were world conquerors, or world explorers. They were at least world travelers or exposed to travelers of the world.

There's further supporting evidence of this theory based on the fact that there are enigmas in history. Some of these appear in historic cartography items, notably in ancient maps that have survived through history. There are some anomalies, the most famous one would be the Piri Re'is map, but other maps are just as reveling. Re'is, was a Turkish Admiral of note, who using other source maps and documents, that he found in the Royal archives, created a map of the southern Atlantic Ocean, with very accurate depictions of the South American Coast, the African coast and the unglaciated coast of Antarctica. His map included features that were not discovered in his day. Thus it makes you wonder who discovered them. He does state that the source maps were ancient and that some of them were even copies of more ancient maps. Thus, you have to wonder who were The Originators of these Maps. At what time were these Maps new? That again supports the theory that maybe the Aborigines were simply co-giftees of some of the symbols and information from the Builders of Gobekli Tepe it could also even be that the Builders of Gobekli Tepe and the Aborigines were both recipients of some of the same symbols and knowledge from the same gift-er who was more ancient than either the Aborigines or the Builders of Gobekli Tepe, but these are things that we don't have answers for yet, things that we can only hypothesize theorize and guess about at this stage.

These are, however, very good Avenues of research and study and hopefully lead us to new understanding about our history and our past and enlighten us to a much broader and richer and deeper story of who we are and where we came from then we currently have. I hope this gives you some food for thought and maybe even some avenues for your own independent research and studies.

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